Interest rates are confusing, despite their ubiquity. This post takes an in-depth look at why interest rates behave as they do.

Understanding these concepts will help understand finance (mortgages & savings rates), along with the omnipresent e and natural logarithm. Here’s our cheatsheet:

Term | Formula | Description & Usage |
---|---|---|

Simple | Fixed, non-growing return (bond coupons) | |

Compound (Annual) |
Changes each year (stock market, inflation) | |

Compound (n times per year) |
Changes each month/week/day (savings account) | |

Continuous Growth | Changes each instant (radioactive decay, temperature) | |

APR | Annual Percentage Rate (compounding not included) | |

APY | Annual Percentage Yield (all compounding effects included) |

- P = principal, your initial investment (i.e., \$1,000)
- r = interest rate (i.e., 5% per year)
- n = number of time periods (i.e., 3 years)

And a quick calculator to convert APR to APY:

## Why the fuss?

Interest rates are complex. Like Roman numerals and hieroglyphics, our first system “worked” but wasn’t quite ideal.

In the beginning, you might have had 100 gold coins and were paid 12% per year (percent = per cent = per hundred — those Roman numerals still show up!). It’s simple enough: we get 12 coins a year. But is it really 12?

If we break it down, it seems we earn 1 gold a month: 6 for January-June, and 6 for July-December. But wait a minute — after our June payout we’d have 106 gold in July, and yet earn only 6 during the rest of the year? Are you saying 100 and 106 earn the same amount in 6 months? By that logic, do 100 and 200 earn the same amount, too? Uh oh.

This issue didn’t seem to bother the ancient Egyptians, but did raise questions in the 1600s and led to Bernoulli’s discovery of e (sorry math fans, e wasn’t discovered via some hunch that a strange limit would have useful properties). There’s much to say about this riddle — just keep this in mind as we dissect interest rates:

**Interest rates and terminology were invented before the idea of compounding.**Heck, loans were around in 1500 BC, before exponents, 0, or even the decimal point! So it’s no wonder our discussions can get confusing.**Nature doesn’t wait for a human year before changing**. Interest earnings are a type of “growth”, but natural phenomena like temperature and radioactive decay change constantly, every second and faster. This is one reason why physics equations model change with “e” and not “(1+r)^{n}”: Nature rudely ignores our calendar when making adjustments.

## Learn the Lingo

As a result of these complications, we need a few terms to discuss interest rates:

**APR (annual percentage rate):**The rate someone tells you (“12% per year!”). You’ll see this as “r” in the formula.**APY (annual percentage yield):**The rate you actually get after a year, after all compounding is taken into account. You can consider this “total return” in the formula. The APY is greater than or equal to the APR.

APR is what the bank tells you, the APY is what you pay (the price after taxes, shipping and handling, if you get my drift). And of course, banks advertise the rate that looks better.

Getting a credit card or car loan? They’ll show the “low APR” you’re paying, to hide the higher APY. But opening a savings account? Well, of course they’d tout the “high APY” they’re paying to look generous.

**The APY (actual yield) is what you care about, and the way to compare competing offers**.

## Simple Interest

Let’s start on the ground floor: **Simple interest pays a fixed amount over time**. A few examples:

- Aesop’s fable of the golden goose: every day it laid a single golden egg. It couldn’t lay faster, and the eggs didn’t grow into golden geese of their own.
- Corporate bonds: A bond with a face value of \$1000 and 5% interest rate (coupon) pays you \$50 per year until it expires. You can’t increase the face value, so \$50/year is what you will get from the bond. (In reality, the bond would pay \$25 every 6 months).

Simple interest is the most **basic type of return**. Depositing \$100 into an account with 50% simple (annual) interest looks like this:

You start with a principal (aka investment) of \$100 and earn \$50 each year. I imagine the blue principal “shoveling” green money upwards every year.

However, this new, green money is stagnant — it can’t grow! With simple interest, the \$50 just sits there. Only the original \$100 can do “work” to generate money.

Simple interest has a simple formula: Every period you earn P * r (principal * interest rate). After n periods you have:

This formula works as long as “r” and “n” refer to the same time period. It could be years, months, or days — though in most cases, we’re considering annual interest. There’s no trickery because there’s no compounding — interest can’t grow.

Simple interest is useful when:

**Your interest earnings create something that cannot grow more**. It’s like the golden goose creating eggs, or a corporate bond paying money that cannot be reinvested.**You want simple, predictable, non-exponential results**. Suppose you’re encouraging your kids to save. You could explain that you’ll put aside \$1/month in “fun money” for every \$20 in their piggybank. Most kids would be thrilled and buy comic books each month. If your last name is Greenspan, your kid might ask to reinvest the dividend.

In practice, simple interest is fairly rare because most types of earnings can be reinvested. There really isn’t an APR vs APY distinction, since your earnings can’t change: you always earn the same amount per year.

## Really Understanding Growth

Most interest explanations stop there: here’s the formula, now get on your merry way. Not here: let’s see what’s really happening.

First, what does an interest rate mean? **I think of it as a type of “speed”**:

**50 mph**means you’ll travel 50 miles in the course of an hour**r = 50% per year**means you’ll earn 50% of your principal in the course of a year. If P = \$100, you’ll earn \$50/year (your “speed of money growth”).

But both types of speed have a subtlety: **we don’t have to wait the full time period!**

Does driving 50 mph mean you must go a full hour? No way! You can drive “only” 30 minutes and go 25 miles (50 mph * .5 hours). You could drive 15 minutes and go 12.5 miles (50 mph * .25 hours). You get the idea.

Interest rates are similar. An interest rate gives you a “trajectory” or “pace” to follow. If you have \$100 at a 50% simple interest rate, your pace is \$50/year. But you don’t need to follow that pace for a full year! If you grew for 6 months, you should be entitled to \$25. Take a look at this:

We start with \$100, in blue. Each year that blue contributes \$50 (in green) to our total amount. Of course, with simple interest our earnings are based on our original amount, not the “new total”. Connecting the dots gives us a trendline: we’re following a path of \$50/year. Our payouts look like a staircase because we’re only paid at the end of the year, but the trajectory still works.

**Simple interest keeps the same trajectory:** we earn “P*r” each year, no matter what \$50/year in this case). That straight line perfectly predicts where we’ll end up.

The idea of “following a trajectory” may seem strange, but stick with it — it will really help when understanding the nature of e.

One point: the trajectory is “how fast” a bank account is growing at a certain moment. With simple interest, we’re stuck in a car going the same speed: \$50/year, or 50 mph. In other cases, our rate may change, like a skydiver: they start off slow, but each second fall faster and faster. But at **any instant**, there’s a single speed, a single trajectory.

(The math gurus will call this trajectory a “derivative” or “gradient”. No need to hit a mosquito with the calculus sledgehammer just yet.)

## Basic Compound Interest

Simple interest should make you squirm. **Why can’t our interest earn money?** We should use the bond payouts \$50/year) to buy more bonds. Heck, we should use the golden eggs to fund research into cloning golden geese!

**Compound growth means your interest earns interest**. Einstein called it “one of the most powerful forces in nature”, and it’s true. When you have a growing thing, which creates more growing things, which creates more growing things… your return adds up fast.

The most basic type is period-over-period return, which usually means “year over year”. Reinvesting our interest annually looks like this:

We earn \$50 from year 0 – 1, just like with simple interest. But in year 1-2, now that our total is \$150, we can earn \$75 this year (50% * 150) giving us \$225. In year 2-3 we have \$225, so we earn 50% of that, or \$112.50.

In general, we have (1 + r) times more “stuff” each year. After n years, this becomes:

Exponential growth outpaces simple, linear interest, which only had \$250 in year 3 (100 + 3*50). Compound growth is useful when:

**Interest can be reinvested**, which is the case for most savings accounts.**You want to predict a future value based on a growth trend**. Most trends, like inflation, GDP growth, etc. are assumed to be “compoundable”. Yearly GDP growth of 3% over 10 years is really (1.03)^{10}= 1.344, or a 34.4% increase over that decade.

## Interest as a Factory

The typical interpretation sees money as a “blob” that grows over time. This view works, but sometimes I like to see interest earnings as a “factory” that generates more money:

Here’s what’s happening:

**Year 0:**We start with \$100.**Year 1:**Our \$100 creates a \$50 “bond”.**Year 2:**The \$100 generates another \$50 bond. The \$50 generates a \$25 bond. The total is 50 + 25 = 75, which matches up.**Year 3:**Things get a bit crazy. The \$100 creates a third \$50 bond. The two existing \$50 bonds make \$25 each. And the \$25 makes a 12.50.**Years 4 to infinity:**Left as an exercise for the reader. (Don’t you love that textbook cop out?)

This is an interesting viewpoint. The \$100 just mindlessly cranks out \$50 “factories”, which start earning money independently (notice the 3 blue arrows from the blue principal to the green \$50s). These \$50 factories create \$25 factories, and so on.

The pattern seems complex, but it’s simpler in a way as well. The \$100 has no idea what those zany \$50s are up to: as far as the \$100 knows, we’re only making \$50/year.

So why’s this viewpoint useful?

**You can separate the impact of the parent \$100) from the children.**For example, at Year 3 we have \$337.50 total. The parent has earned \$150 (“3 * 50% * \$100 = \$150”, using the simple interest formula!). This means the various “children” have contributed \$337.50 – \$150 – \$100 = \$87.50, or about 1/3 the total value.**Breaking earnings into components helps understand e.**Knowing more about e is a good thing because it shows up everywhere.

And besides, seeing old ideas in a new light is always fun. For one of us, at least.

## Understanding the Trajectory

Oh, we’re not done yet. One more insight — take a look at our trajectory:

With simple interest, we kept the same pace forever \$50/year — pretty boring). With annually compounded interest, **we get a new trajectory each year**.

We deposit our money, go to sleep, and wake up at the end of the year:

**Year 1:**“Hey, waittaminute. I’ve got \$150 bucks! I should be making \$75/year, not \$50!”. You yell at your banker, crank up the dial to \$75/year, and go to sleep again.**Year 2:**“Hey! I’ve got \$225, and should be making \$112.50 per year!”. You scream at your bank and get the rate adjusted.

This process repeats forever — we seem to never learn.

## Compound Interest Revisited

Why are we waiting so long? Sure, waiting a year at a time is better than waiting “forever” (like simple interest), but I think we can do better. Let’s zoom in on a year:

Look at what’s happening. The green line represents our starting pace \$50/year), and the solid area shows the cash in our account. After 6 months, we’ve earned \$25 but don’t see a dime! More importantly, after 6 months we have the same trajectory as when we started. The **interest gap** shows where we’ve earned interest, but stay on our original trajectory (based on the original principal). We’re losing out on what we should be making.

Imagine I took your money and returned it after 6 months. *“Well, ya see, I didn’t use it for a full year, so I don’t really owe you any interest. After all, interest is measured per year. Per yeeeeeaaaaar. Not per 6 months.”* You’d smile and send Bubba to break my legs.

Annual payouts are man-made artifacts, used to keep things simple. But in reality, money should be earned all the time. We can pay interest after 6 months to reduce the gap:

Here’s what happened:

- We start with \$100 and a trajectory of \$50/year, like normal
- After 6 months we get \$25, giving us \$125
- We head out using the new trajectory: 50% * \$125 = \$62.5/year
- After 6 months we collect 62.5/year times .5 year = 31.25. We have 125 + 31.25 = 156.25.

The key point is that our trajectory improved halfway through, and we earned 156.25, instead of the “expected” 150. Also, early payout gave us a smaller gap area (in white), since our \$25 of interest was doing work for the second half (it contributed the extra 6.25, or \$25 * 50% * .5 years).

For 1 year, the impact of rate r compounded n times is:

In our case, we had (1 + 50%/2)^{2}. Repeating this for t years (multiplying t times) gives:

**Compound interest reduces the “dead space” where our interest isn’t earning interest**. The more frequently we compound, the smaller the gap between earning interest and updating the trajectory.

## Continuous Growth

Clearly we want money to “come online” as fast as possible. Continuous growth is compound interest on steroids: you shrink the gap into oblivion, by dividing the year into more and more time periods:

The net effect is to make use of interest as soon as it’s created. We wait a millisecond, find our new sum, and go off in the new trajectory. Except it’s not every millisecond: it’s every nanosecond, picosecond, femtosecond, and intervals I don’t know the name for. Continuous growth keeps the trajectory perfectly in sync with your current amount.

Read the article on e for more details (e is a special number, like pi, and is roughly 2.718). If we have rate r and time t (in years), the result is:

If you have a 50% APR, it would be an APY of e^{.50} = 64.9% if compounded continuously. That’s a pretty big difference! Notice that e takes care of the icky parts, like dividing by an infinite number of periods.

Why’s this useful?

**Most natural phenomena grow continuously**. As mentioned earlier, physical phenomena grows on its own schedule: radioactive material doesn’t wait for the Earth to go around the Sun before deciding to decay. Any physical equation that models change is going to use e^{rt}.**e**. It sounds strange, but e can even model the jumpy, staircase-like growth we’ve seen with compound interest. We’ll get into this in a later article.^{rt}is the adjustable, one-size-fits-all exponential

Most interest discussions leave e out, as continuous interest is not often used in financial calculations. (Daily compounding, (1 + r/365)^{365}, is generous enough for your bank account, thank you very much. But seriously, daily compounding is a pretty good approximation of continuous growth.)

The exponential e is the bridge from our jumpy “delayed” growth to the smooth changes of the natural world.

## A Few Examples

Let’s try a few examples to make sure it’s sunk in. Remember: the APR is the rate they give you, the APY is what you actually earn (your true return).

**Is a 4.5 APY better than a 4.4 APR, compounded quarterly?**You need to compare APY to APY. 4.4% compounded quarterly is (1 + 4.4%/4)^{4}= 4.47% , so the 4.5% APY is still better.**Should I pay my mortgage at the end of the month, or the beginning?**The beginning, for sure. This way you knock out a chunk of debt early, preventing that “debt factory” from earning interest for 30 days. Suppose your loan APY is 6% and your monthly payment is \$2000. By paying at the start of the month, you’d save \$2000 * 6% = \$120/year, or \$3600 throughout a 30-year mortgage. And a few grand is nothing to sneeze at.**Should I use several small payments, or one large payment?**. You want to pay debt off as early as possible. \$500/week for 4 weeks is better than \$2000 at the end of the month. Each payment stops a few weeks’ worth of interest. The math is a bit tricker, but think of it as 4 \$500 investments, each getting different return. In a month, the first payment saves 3 week’s worth of interest: 500 · (1 + daily rate)^{21}. The next saves 2 weeks: 500 · (1 + daily rate)^{14}. The third saves a week 500 · (1 + daily rate)^{7}and the last payment doesn’t save any interest. Regardless of the details,**prepayment will save you money.**

**The general principle:** When investing, get interest paid early, so it can compound. When borrowing, pay debt early to *prevent* that interest from compounding.

## Onward and Upward

This is a lot for one sitting, but I hope you’ve seen the big picture:

**The interest rate (APR) is the “speed” at which money grows**.**Compounding lets you adjust your “speed” as you earn more interest**. The APR is the initial speed; the APY is the actual change during the year.**Man-made growth uses (1+r)**, or some variant. We like our loans to line up with years.^{n}**Nature uses e**. The universe doesn’t particularly care for our solar calendar.^{rt}**Interest rates are tricky.**When in doubt, ask for the APY and pay debt early.

Treating interest in this funky way (trajectories and factories) will help us understand some of e’s cooler properties, which come in handy for calculus. Also, try the Rule of 72 for a quick way to compute the effect of interest rates mentally (that investment with 6% APY will double in 12 years). Happy math.

## Other Posts In This Series

- An Intuitive Guide To Exponential Functions & e
- Demystifying the Natural Logarithm (ln)
- A Visual Guide to Simple, Compound and Continuous Interest Rates
- Common Definitions of e (Colorized)
- Understanding Exponents (Why does 0^0 = 1?)
- Using Logarithms in the Real World
- How To Think With Exponents And Logarithms
- Understanding Discrete vs. Continuous Growth
- What does an exponent really mean?
- Q: Why is e special? (2.718..., not 2, 3.7 or another number?)

SrikanthJanuary 14, 2008 at 4:05 amYour articles are excellent, I just wait for the new ones to arrive and as I soon a new one appears, I am all excited to read.

Please keep going, thanks for all the better explanations.

Srikanth

Zachary SpencerJanuary 14, 2008 at 7:36 amJust a quick comment, I love your site and your articles… But here’s something I noticed…

When you’re stating “return = (1 + r/t)^tn” you need to make sure that you put the Principle in there :).

Return = P(1+r/t)^tn

This had me hammered for a little while as I tried to work out where we put the principle.

Admittedly I may just have been slow… ;)

ed smithDecember 28, 2017 at 10:39 amPretty sure you meant princiPAL not “principle.” It is the principle of the thing or I would not mention it.

KalidJanuary 14, 2008 at 10:39 am@Srikanth: Appreciate the comment! Glad you’re finding the articles useful.

@Zachary: Thanks, that’s a good catch — just fixed it :). Nope, you’re right, it’s important to get those types of details correct.

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T.GopalanJanuary 14, 2008 at 11:45 pmDear Sir:

In the same breath, can you explain how scientists arrive at half life of radio-active material.

Regards,

T.Gopalan

T RoseJanuary 15, 2008 at 9:04 amanother fun one! I love the way you simplify concepts without being condescending. Also, you leave ‘room’ for me to go off and find out more now that I have the basics down (basics with a different insight). The idea of ‘interest’ comes everywhere. For example, if you were in charge of cash flow at a factory. The ‘interest’ could be considered the ROI (return on investment) of the widget. If you had one dollar (it is a small factory) would you be better off paying the factory bills which amount to $1 or buying raw materials for the factory. Well let’s say you could buy materials for $1 and produce a gaggle of widgets which you can sell in the prescribed period of say 14 days. You can get payment in (I know lots of assumptions) in 25 days AND the bills are not due till net 30. Now the profits of that principal is $3. Cash flow being a function of interest aka time… did this have anything to do w/ your article???

later

T

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KalidJanuary 16, 2008 at 8:30 amThanks Mr. Rose! Yes, that’s an interesting application — if you have the choice between paying bills later (in 30 days) or investing in your business today, the investment is a good idea because it will give you more breathing room down the road. And then you can reinvest those profits to become even more profitable.

@T.Gopalan: Hi, good question. Radioactive half-life is a bit different: rather than giving an interest rate, it’s more like an interest “time” — i.e., how long does it take for a material to decay to half it’s value?

This would be like giving interest rates in terms of the time needed to double: rather than 10% interest, you’d say “I have a doubling rate of 7.2 years” (or “halving rate” if your material is decaying by 10%/year).

I imagine expressing half life this way is useful because you often want to know the time, for figuring out things like carbon dating. In another article I’ll discuss how to convert from one to the other, but check out the Rule of 72 for more info.

MSJanuary 16, 2008 at 1:15 pmGreat article. APR versus APY is a distinction I’ve forgotten repeatedly, this should help it stick much better..

KalidJanuary 16, 2008 at 7:12 pmThanks, glad you liked it! Yeah, I wish someone had told me earlier that APY is the rate you usually care about (“price after tax, shipping and handling”).

DesiFebruary 2, 2008 at 11:41 amKalid – again, I’m so impressed! I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve looked at interest rates and had no clue what it really meant. The way you structured the article was also very helpful to understanding the main points. I did notice the many e plugs, so I guess I’ll try to tackle a concept that has evaded me since high school. thanks!!

Jonah BurkeMarch 14, 2008 at 6:14 amNice article, Kalid. I think a more theoretical article would be useful too — one that discussed why interest rates exist at all and how they relate time and money.

KalidMarch 15, 2008 at 10:29 pmHi Jonah, thanks for dropping by. I agree, I think that’d be a great follow-up article, appreciate the suggestion.

KalidMarch 26, 2008 at 8:34 am@Desi: Awesome, so glad you liked it :)

Stephen TardrewMay 4, 2008 at 4:02 pmThis is just brilliant. I have never quite understood e but this is so soooo simple. Even an old fella like me can learn something. This is a style of teaching that should be compulsory in all areas. Talk to me not at me and get results. Thanks heaps.

KalidMay 4, 2008 at 8:47 pmYou’re welcome Stephen, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Rest assured, there’s plenty of young fellas (myself included) who went through the motions of e without really understanding what it was about :).

anac7ronoxMay 22, 2008 at 4:41 amHi Kalid,

This and the other articles on this site are really amazing!

It really explains concepts better than what they do in schools!

Take care and God bless!

KalidMay 22, 2008 at 5:06 pmThanks, glad you’re enjoying the site! :).

KrishnaMay 26, 2008 at 3:37 pmHi Kalid! This article is excellent!! I really enjoy your slogan philosophy: “Learn right, not rote.” Too often I think we’re shortchanged with understanding…

Just a quick catch of my eye:

(1) In your “Compound Interest” graph (the one that’s all blue), I believe the last column should be $337.50 not $327.50.

(2) If you do a quick find for the text “For a 1 year, the impact of rate r compounded t times is:”, I believe the “a” should be removed.

Your website is an inspiration and I look forward to learning more form you!

Thanks so much! :)

KalidMay 26, 2008 at 9:36 pmHi Krishna, thanks for the comment! I just fixed up the two typos, appreciate the pointers :).

I’m really happy you’re finding the site useful, it’s nice to interact with people who have a similar take on learning (that it can be about understanding and not just facts).

Again, thanks for the comment!

AndrewJune 4, 2008 at 5:51 pmI’m a college finite math student and I was wondering if you could help me figure out how to convert a continuous rate into APY. In the way that something like 7.23% at a continuous rate is equal to APY. I’m trying to pick this up through my math book and can not figure it out at all.

Thanks

KalidJune 5, 2008 at 11:02 amHi Andrew, great question. When you have a 7.23% continuous rate, if you start with $1 at the end of the year you have

$1 * e^(.0723) = 1.07497778903 ~ 1.075

So 7.5% is your effective “APY”, that is your increase from the beginning of the year. Hope this helps!

ArminOctober 22, 2008 at 2:03 pmThank you for another great article that does as intended. I hope mathematicians will get the idea and follow suit.

There are two things I’d like to suggest, as they occurerd to me:

1) You show what happens if you compound twice in one year, how each additional compounded total itself adds to the next total to be compounded. The question I had, and I felt some students might have, is, what do you do if you want to make sure that at the end of the year the total interest does not exceed, say 50%, no matter how often it is compounded during the year. If at six months the interest of 50% makes the end result higher than a total of 50%, to make $131.25 (from the above examples), what percent would the halfway mark need to be to make the end result equal $150, i.e. 50% interest on P=$100?

2) What would the explanation and especially the equation be for a savings account that has an additional constant amount of money added per month, e.g. Start with $100, know the interest rate is 3%, but each month, besides the compounded interest, another $25 is added from each additional paycheck?

Thanks

KalidOctober 22, 2008 at 5:16 pm@Armin: Glad you enjoyed it, those are great questions.

1) This is where the natural log comes into play. If you want a “final” return of 50% (that is, 1.00 becomes 1.50) you can do ln(1.50) = .405.

That means an interest rate of 40.5% will get you 50% return if it’s compounded as fast as possible. So, 40.5% is the “safe” rate you can use.

If you know you’ll only compound twice, then you can solve the equation:

(1 + r)^2 = 1.5

(1 + r) = sqrt(1.5) [take square root]

r = sqrt(1.5) – 1 [subtract 1]

r ~ .22

So, if you only compound twice (halfway & end of year) then you are safe with a rate of 22%.

2) That’s a really good question. The formula is a bit more complicated because you have to account for each deposit, which come in at different times. There’s more info here:

http://www.maths.leeds.ac.uk/Applied/0380/savings04.pdf

I think that would make a good follow-up article, as a similar formula is used to calculate loan payments (you pay the same amount each month for the loan, but how to do they work out that number given the interest?).

GeorgeDecember 26, 2008 at 12:03 pmI have this question:

How does ‘e’ relate to compound interest?

Happy holidays!

KalidFebruary 18, 2009 at 3:07 pm@George: Hi, e is the result of 100%, continuously compounded interest. You can try the article on e (see first paragraph) for more details.

Ram KrishnaNovember 29, 2009 at 10:20 amYour explanation is fantastic.

I have maintained a blog which is basically open course ware for Masters in Renewable Energy http://www.ioemsre.wordpress.com . I would like to take your permission to put this article there. Please let me know.

KalidDecember 1, 2009 at 12:53 am@Ram: Hi, you can excerpt/link to the article as long as there’s attribution. Thanks!

HelenDecember 23, 2009 at 12:45 amI always wanted to learn this calculus stuff. Though I seemed to have survived the last 40 years of electronics and computer theory without it, I’ve always had a curiosity about just what all those squiggly lines were on the old chalk boards. I think you have succeeded in clearing up some of the fog (which I was unable to clear no matter how many books downloaded by http://rapid4me.com and read without understanding). so far so good anyway:) Please keep up the good work you have been doing on this web site. I really have enjoyed all of your articles.

KalidDecember 23, 2009 at 2:02 am@Helen: Thanks for the comment! I’m really happy the site was useful for you, there are so many things in my mathematical past that I want to revisit to understand better :).

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Seung Hyuck ImJuly 19, 2010 at 8:20 pmIf r=12%, p=100, n=1.5 (one and half year), and annually compound, what is the payment after one and half year?

Is that 100*(1+12%)^1.5 or 100*(1+12%)(1+12%*0.5)

Could answer the above question?

JanAugust 22, 2010 at 6:37 pmExcellent communication and visual presentation. Bravo. My a-ha moment was how to read JX = X% (eg: J12 = 10%) Some how in mind’s eye, I was incorrectly visualizing when reading J12 = 10% to mean 10% was being earned every one of those 12 periodic periods.

After reading your excellent website, I now understand (continuing using J12 as the example) that J12 really means that interest is being paid 12 times through out the year and each time it is paid, it is being added to the principle to be put to work to earn additional interest as time marches to reach the one year milestone. Furthermore, it also explains my second mystery as to why the nominal rate is divided by the number of periodic periods. Why? Because the J12 is focusing on the frequency of interest being paid in the year and is independent of the nominal rate. Therefore if there are 12 periodic periods, this means the interest of 10% is divided by 12 to equal .8333333 per periodic period etc. Thank you. Thank you. One last question…What does “J” stand for???? What is its history? I am very curious to knowing the history of “J” Thank you very much. You have been a great help. Jan

AnonymousOctober 23, 2010 at 10:34 amno one has explained it to me so clearly………….thanks a lot

TobanJanuary 4, 2011 at 11:00 amGreat explanation, you have the knack for getting to the intuitive core of concepts!

One small quibble with the “cheatsheet” table at the beginning: t is being used in two different senses, which could confuse some (it did me). The compound formula uses t as the number of periods per year (n), whereas the continuous growth formula uses t as the total number of periods.

When you take the limit of (1+r/t)^tn, you get e^rn (not e^rt). I realize you’re sticking to the conventional lettering, but I think it’s confusing.

KalidJanuary 7, 2011 at 11:18 pm@Jan: Thanks for the comment! Just summarizing from email, but I think the J notation may have evolved due to the need for another letter (not i) to represent an item. In math it’s very common to say the “ith” element, but since that was taken “j” may have been a fit. Not sure though!

@Anonymous: Thanks!

@Toban: Great feedback — we should compound “n” times for year and do that for “t” periods of time to keep it consistent. Thanks!

kenJanuary 29, 2011 at 2:33 pmin the formula for compound interest in the brackets there is the number 1, could you tell me what that represents or what is it’s significance

thank you

KalidOctober 17, 2011 at 8:25 am@ken: Hi, the formula for compound interest is

P * (1 + r)^n

where P is your initial amount, r is your interest rate (10% = .10), and n is the number of years. The 1 is needed because your interest rate is a percentage increase from 1.0 (i.e, 1.0 + .10 = 1.1, which is a 10% increase over 1.0).

You could write

P * (T)^n

where T is the “total” amount after 1 year (1.1). But, it’s usually easier to see the interest rate separated out in each formula.

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Robert McConkieFebruary 1, 2013 at 10:14 amI teach finance–and bonds–and hadn’t considered using the fixed coupon payment as an example of a “simple” rate. Thanks!

Robert

PS

kalidFebruary 12, 2013 at 11:34 amThanks Robert! I love hearing from other educators, appreciate the note.

JamesFebruary 17, 2013 at 9:15 pmNice article. I noticed one minor error: “You can separate the impact of the parent ($100) from the children. For example, at Year 3 we have $328 total. The parent has earned $150 (“3 * 50% * $100 = $150″, using the simple interest formula!). This means the “children” have contributed $328 – $150 – $100 = $128, or about 1/3 the total value.”

At Year 3, the total should be $338 = $100 + $50 + ($50 + $25) + ($50 + $25 + $25 + $12.50). The children will have earned $338 – $150 – $100 = $88.

kalidFebruary 17, 2013 at 9:38 pmYikes! Thanks James, just fixed. That’s what happens when I do math in my head :).

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AndrewSeptember 3, 2013 at 6:24 amI found this article very helpful.

I am in a class at university and my book is explaining that:

APY = ‘Effective Annual Interest Rate’ = [(1+r/m)^m] -1

I dont understand why we are subtracting 1 at then end of the equation. Could you please explain, Mr. Kalid?

AndrewSeptember 3, 2013 at 6:29 amI was wondering if ‘e’ is anyway related to ‘phi’ and the proportions of natural growth? I.e.: 1.618…

kalidSeptember 3, 2013 at 4:27 pmHi Andrew, glad it was helpful. The “-1” term is because the (1 + r/m)^m will give the final amount that 1 turns into, such as 1.15. We need to subtract 1 to get the *rate* (1.15 – 1 = .15, or 15%). Good question about e/phi, I don’t know of any relations offhand, but there must be some :).

Simon MDecember 21, 2013 at 4:19 amI got you right. Continue to update us more as you get other types of interest.

AdamMarch 3, 2014 at 5:36 pmYour graphs make these concepts much more understandable, and illustrate the connections between the equations and different types of compounding. Thanks!

StudentMarch 6, 2014 at 10:51 amIs there a way to quickly determine how much of the interest came from a certain interval?

For example, let us say I am compounding monthly for a year. I want to determine only the interest I collected from the first 3 months. I can easily find out how much interest I made in the year; the trouble is that the interest obtained in not evenly distributed as the Principal is growing month to month. Of course, you could do the calculation by hand. But it becomes more tedious for a longer time interval that you might be interested in.

kalidMarch 6, 2014 at 10:55 am@Adam: Glad they helped, thanks.

@Student: Yep, you can extract the portion of interest earned in an interval.

Let’s say your interest is 15%, and you are compounding monthly. The equation for a full year is:

yearly interest = (1 + .15/12)^12 = 1.1607 = 16.07% interest

3-month interest = (1 + .15/12)^3 = 1.03797 = 3.797% interest

StudentMarch 6, 2014 at 11:54 amI suppose I’m thinking n was fixed for both the denominator and the exponent, but it looks like you used 1 in the denominator and 1/4 in the exponent. I think this enhanced my understanding…

kalidMarch 6, 2014 at 12:04 pmCool. The denominator (n=12 as in .15/12) is the number of periods we want to split the interest into. In this case, we’re splitting it into monthly segments.

The exponent (^12) is the number of periods we actually want to use. In the case of the full year it’s 12, but we could use 3 months (^3) as well.

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MariaFebruary 21, 2015 at 1:00 amThank you very much! That was really helpful

FrankApril 18, 2015 at 9:05 amLove the way you introduce the dreaded “C” word (Calculus) without even mentioning it! Your lessons here are pre pre calculus or I think that this should be pre calculus and what is now called pre calculus should be part of calculus because to call that pre calculus is a little misleading and must put many people off.

No Franking wayApril 20, 2015 at 12:04 pmHoly C***! thats amazing

fsrNovember 4, 2015 at 4:52 amGreat explanation! Really simple and clear :)

If you don’t mind, I just want to correct a minor thing in the equation for simple interest. You wrote it as P.r.n. I think it should be P(1+r.n) or P+P.r.n because P.r.n is only the ‘addition’ we get. Use money as example, P.r.n is only the additional money after n period of time. We still have the initial money P in our possession.

But overall, I really like the article, along with your other articles. Keep writing :)

kalidNovember 8, 2015 at 1:08 pmHi fsr, thanks for the correction! Yes, it should be P(1 + r.n) to show that we are adding to our principal. Glad you enjoyed it!

Ben RUDOLPHMay 24, 2016 at 3:48 pmHello,

I am trying to figure out the simple yearly inflation rate of ancient Athens’ Drachma; I heard it was 50% over a period of 200 years. i don’t know the rate so your equation “P(1+r*n)” doesn’t help. Any suggestions?

Thank you for your help.

– Mr. Rudolph

HelloJuly 11, 2016 at 6:26 amthis is just epic. some amazing insights kalid.

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